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Greetings friends,  normally you would find me contributing to the Spiricom thread.  I'm still working on Mark VI, but I had another brainstorm, and thought this thread would be the most likely place for it.

As all of us know, there are many curious, and playful Spirits amongst us.  As I pondered that thought, the keyword "playful" came into mind.  I began to contemplate a different form of communication than just the spoken word.  How about allowing them to simply prove to you their metaphysical presence; and let them enjoy themselves while doing so?

Here it is:  Place a Theremin in the room, connected to a sound amplification system.  Place the Theremin in the center of the room, and all physical persons placed at least 10 feet away; in a circle, or in a row, it doesn't matter; from the instrument.

Have someone who has consistent contact with one, or more Spiritual entities, to ask them to approach the Theremin.  Since the Theremin is a radio frequency device that responds to proximity, it ought to respond by a change of frequency, loudness, or both.  Once the Spirits understand how to modulate the instrument, they could (really would) indicate their presence by, changing the tones; and even by answering yes or no questions .

One thing I'm afraid of, is when they start to modulate the tone, they will have so much fun, that communication may never happen! :lol:

For those of you who have never hear of the Theremin:  The Theremin is the very first totally electronic musical instrument ever devised.  It was built at the turn of the 20th century by one Leon Theremin.  The instrument is played by never touching it; but by being in close proximity to its two antennas.  The left hand of the player controls the loudness, while the right hand controls the pitch.  The close the left hand to the left antenna, the quieter the sound.  The closer the hand to the right antenna, the higher the pitch.

You all have heard the Theremin.  The Beach Boys used it in their song "Good Vibrations".  Yeah, that's that high pitched woo woo sound you hear.  The theme song of the original 1960's "Star Trek" utilitzed the Theremin, as well as many 1950's Sci-Fi movies.

Here is Leon Theremin's grand neice, Lydia Kavina, beautifully playing the lovely "Claire de Lune" at a live performance on her Theremin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4TgYkqdi8

Here is a photograph of Moog's Theremin:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/document?cpd=0OEY&doc_id=99371&base_pid=709302&index=1

Many Blessings!

Jeff

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Jeff... I love this idea! Brilliant!

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Thank you Debbie and Babs!  I don't know if it will work, but the RF and proximity physics are certainly there!

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Jeff,
I could see even "programming" the words Yes and No in place of the tones.

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:biggrin:  Sure!  Good suggestion!  Not hard to do either.

Thanks Babs!

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Jeff,

And all members.... I own two theremins and have owned many through the years. This is absolutely a crazy approach. 

Yes, the theremin is a "proximity" device and yes, it responds to (Like a tesla globe) to a "wand" (Your Hand).  It can go off by itself (mine has a number of times).... Someone can use a garage door opener and this bloody thing can go off.

With all due respect, this is a crazy idea. Here is the thread of a mini theremin for $24.00 if you really want to play around.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250199020813&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=015

Heck, why not use a Tesla globe or maybe just try a motion sensor.  I'll give you one idea that I've played with which is kinda cool: use a speech recognition program, put it in a very quiet room and see what you get.  I've done a couple experiments and I do believe there might be a paranormal application for this technology.

P.S. you may even want to use a drum or wind chimes (Or trumpet as in the old spiritualist days) and have the spirit make noise this way. 

I am a professional musician and I would impore you, don't spend $300.00 on a theremin.

Pls. check out the Ebay item above you may find is quite fun.

I've heard a lot of crazy things but I can assure you this is a crazy one for sure. No dis-respect intended but I just don't think members should spend this kind of money for a theremin.

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Debbie wrote: Thanks so much for the idea Jeff!!  Now I need to search for a Theremin!

I'll keep you posted!  My team is going to be excited!

:)  Debbie

 
Don't you dare LE!!

LOL

JBE

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P.P.S.S. One can also buy an EMF detector with a type of tone occilator built in.  They're about $30 buck and they make a noise when EMF is in proximity.

EEEE

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Well!  I didn't know we had a raving lunatic within our midst.  I'll just take my technology and go elswhere.

Bye all!

Jeff

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Hi Jeff,

I like the idea worth a shot, stay aboard guy!! We need ya.

And to anyone wanting to accuse anyone one of being crazy, that is not the proffessinal way to bring about ideas. sounds like a partial misunderstanding and classical disagreement about opinions.

But, again I like the idea and some of yours to John.

Thanks,

Laura

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I hope you will stick around. I don't think John meant anything by it.... Even though its basically the same language, brits have a way of saying things differently. Watch a few episodes of "Young Ones" or "Fawlty Towers" and you will know what I mean.

Disagreement is part of the learning curve, trust me there are many here who have felt far worse a sting. I say try all and any ideas you have, at the very least you will learn what doesn't work and move on to the next idea.

I hope you change your mind Jeff, you have a lot to offer in technical expertise and a lot to learn as an experimenter. We have some of the best ITC experimenters on this board.

Best Regards,

Frank R.

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Hi Debbie,

This is absolutely a crazy approach. 


Maybe I worded it wrong, but, I think someone could take this comment  somewhat personally. Jeff sounded so excited and was sharing a view. Again, I will say simply and just my thought, He has a great idea! and I liked some of Johns too!:smile:

Laura

 

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Debbie,

:lol: LOL thanks for the clarification, I am guilty as charged for being "crazy" lol with all of my own ideas!! :laugh:But, I guess I wouldn't change the "force or drive in us all" to go in the direction Spirit leads us!!

Thanks GF Have a great day ...made me smile!

Laura

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One question I would have is in regards to the proximity. How close does one need to be to "activate" the theremin? Is anything within 10 ft going to activate it? I've now watched several videos of the Theremin in action and the players are obviosly close to control volume but do they have to be that close to cause the tones?

Here is the thing about the EMF meters; I own two TriField Meters. I have yet to have one go off in conjunction with any other notable activity. For instance I've gotten many EVP's in a room with a TriField yet, no changes were noted on the meter. Of course there is no way to be sure how the EVP is made so we can not assume the spirit was close by but... Also, many EMF meters are single axis meters. Depending on the placement of the meter, you may not pick up anything anyway- even if the ghost is right there.

The thing that makes the Theremin most interesting to me is the idea that it could involve spirit personality. "Playful" spirits or those wishing to make contact might far more enjoy manipulating something like this than a boring sounding or dimly lit meter. We also need to consider that the use of the Theremin also brings frequency and tones into the picture. Many are discovering that providing spirit with these things seem to make communication improve. Hence, I would think it beneficial to record for EVP during these sessions. An investigator could also play the Theremin while recording.

If there is an issue or concern that the Theremin "plays" on it's own from electrical disturbances than I would suggest power be turned off (assuming that the Theremin can run on batteries). At the very least, care needs to be given in discovering everything that might cause a false positive. As with everything, the investigator should also take temperature readings, EMF readings, video,  etc. if the Theremin begins to play. We might discover that a spirit can manifest visually once combining their energy with the vibrations they manipulate.

The schematics for this are available online and it would cost far less than 300.00 for someone inclined to build one. I think it would be a mistake to not explore this avenue.


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Jeff and all,

If your reading this Jeff pls. understand that I was not trying to offend. On the contrary, we, I believe, should have a free flow of opinion.  I do not profess to be an electronics expert but, I do know a bit about theremins and related audio theory.  If one cares to fool with these instruments than of course do so.

I'm not sure if someone thinks I'm British: I'm not.  In fact if interested, you can check out my web site which tells more about what I do and the related musical experience I have. (Johndebney.com) 

This board is for all and it is refreshingly candid in discussions of Paranormal theory.

And I can assure you, I'm far from a "raving lunatic".  I'm amazed that you feel that way and I'm perplexed by your comment.

Sorry if I offended, and I hope you might reconsider your decision.

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Again, I apologize to all as this reaction was quite extraordinary and again, I apologize to Jeff for any hurt and hope he re-considers.

The theremin is a simple device.  You use your right hand for pitch and your left hand for volume.  Pls.note that there are many many emf detectors that do a similar thing in that they react audibly to present EMF. 

Pls. don't spend hard earned money on a new Theremin. There are many many used ones and kits and such on Ebay and the like.

Happy hunting,

John D

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Notemanz-

In typical EMF meters, the disruption needs to be pretty close to the meter. How is this different or similar in relation to the Theremin? Was the one you showed in the video an optical theremin? It looked at times that you were blocking a light cell.

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Thank you for that John.  Apologies for the delay in response.  Just busy in many things; I'm sure you understand.

Many, many thanks to Fratka, Lkimberly, EVP_Babs, and Debbie here.  All of them came to the rescue! 

You say you're a professional musician.  Well, so am I.  It would be prudent to ask Debbie to play a cover of a song that I recorded in my personal studio.  It would put a smile on your face!

Well that's the end of it.  We'll talk of it no more.

All is forgiven, my friend.

Many blessings!

Jeff

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Thanks for the comments Evp Babs.  The theremin for sure shouldn't "react" to RF, however, they're kind of wacky things and they can go off without warning.  LOL They're kind of useless but fun musical things. Simple synthesizers.

The "antenna" senses the movement of your hand.  You can vary the pitch by waving your hand in front/up/down etc....  Volume can be controlled via your left hand.

Yes, the little theremin in the ebay thread is fantastic and fun.  It does have a light sensing
cel but also reacts to the proximity of your hand in darkness. 

What I was considering was a way to incoporate this into my staticom system.  Haven't figured it out yet, but the little thing is cool and it's only $24.00. 

The theremin only makes simple single occilator (square wave I believe) sounds.  The idea of training an entity to communicate with it (again in my humble opinion) is kind of far fetched.

We could, in the same way I guess, have the entity communicate by going close to a good EMF detector too.  For instance: "For yes, pls. make the meter jump 2 times..."  I have had some success with this and I recommend trying it. 

If one wants to purchase a theremin, I'd recommend Ebay as there are some vintage ones that are a lot of fun.

Hope this helps and God bless,

John D

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Thanks Jeff! Truly, didn't mean to offend. I guess sometimes I can be a little abrupt.
Any avenue of research should be explored and I it may indeed be fun to experiment with the good ole theremin.  You have to know that I've kinda hated these things for years LOL...

We used to open our show with a big Theremin SOLO!!  LOL and it was bad...

Again, thanks for the understanding Jeff and I hope we can contribute to eachother's experimental success's.

Excellent another musician!! 

Cheers!
John D

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EVP_Babs wrote: Notemanz-

In typical EMF meters, the disruption needs to be pretty close to the meter. How is this different or similar in relation to the Theremin? Was the one you showed in the video an optical theremin? It looked at times that you were blocking a light cell.

Now then Babs,  I wish to help you in understanding here.  EMF is the annotation for Electro Motive Force.  This is simply the pressure applied to a conductor to urge the free electrons to move.  The pressure comes from a magnetic field.  Just like it takes a fluid pump to generate a pressure (measured in PSI (pound per square inch)) to move a fluid (like water) to flow through a pipe, a magnetic force, measured in volts, compelles the free electrons to follow a conduit.  We call that conduit, a conductor.  That conductor is normally constructed out of copper; but can be constructed out of aluminum; or other materials that have free electrons in it. 

Now that I have bored you to absolute tears, for which I am very sorry, the EMF meter is indicating the magnetic infuences that can move free electrons. 

Now I am not psychic, but I'll bet you're wondering "what has this explanation have to do with Spirits?".  The answer is I have no idea!".  The research has proven that Spirit is made of light

Well, we only know that light may be of a corpuscule, or wave of nature.  And we can bend, or manipulate light by introducing a magnetic force.  That magnetic force can be manipulated by varying its potential; in other words, change the magnetic influence  on the light.

 For example, if, for instance, we have a beam of light, and we wish to manipulate it; change its direction; all we have to do is hold a magnetic force next to it.  It will bend.  It will even follow our movement of the magnetic field, if we are holding the magnetic object in our hand. 

By now, you are totally bored.  Sorry for that dear.  You were asking for a quick answer; but I would be remiss if I didn't give you a proper explanation.

EMF is simply the magnetic potential to force the movement of free electrons. 

Jeff




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I see now. The investigator in me assumed you were speaking of EMF as in Electro Magnetic Field meters and I have yet to be impressed with their usage on paranormal investigations.

One of my short comings in this arena is my lack of a grasp on the technical side. I get the basics but once I attempt to go beyond that... well, my brain deflects and I begin to think of other things. :) I'm an idea girl. I can tell you I want to get from point A to point B but not how to do that. I appreciate the patience.

Question: Can light block light?


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Ok EVERYONE....drum...roll.....

It's time for a GROUP HUG!!!:biggrin:  Awwwwwwww. I truly wish I could hug all of you!

Thats wonderful 2 brillant talent men can work it out....I love it!!:wub:

Keeps the energies UP!!:thumbup1:

Live from Old Mexico

Laura

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Great explanation Jeff!  Babs, there are many EMF detectors out there. SOme better than others. The tri-filed is excellent in that it can measure different things and it has a sensitivity setting plus an audible chirp when it comes into proximity of field pulses be they electric, magnetic or a sum of the two.

As Jeff stated, there are many theories out there re: the make-up of spirit.  I have a canon camera that I've had professionally altered to pick up infra-red spectrum.  It has captured some interesting things and also takes some amazing pictures.

Good luck with your work!

Oh guys us musicians always stick together LOL

P.S. Here is one example from beta test 5 of a spiricom like device.  We hear:

"The Church of Holy-ies thakns you very much Debbie, Lisa, Margaret, Tesla"



John D


Attachment: ChurchofHoliesThankUVeryMuc.mp3 (Downloaded 1457 times)

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Thank you for sharing that John,

That sounded almost like a water file...But its very interesting.

Could you share how you captured that file, were you communicating live?

How long did you record?  and could you explain or possibly share a picture of the way you captured the file? I am very interested.

Very good capture John. I heard most of what you wrote for the file. something right at the end tho...Michael can't find you?

Thanks for sharing,

LK

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EVP_Babs wrote:

Question: Can light block light?


The quick answer to that question is no.  Light is a composite of the electro-magnetic spectrum that extends from 0 Hz to the unknown.  But the example of the rainbow proves to us that all frequencies of light can exist in harmony without interruption one to the other.

Just as many radio frequencies can be broadcasted throughout the atmosphere, to find any one of them is easy by tuning a radio receiver to that fequency.  The other frequencies will not interfere.

Another example would be a light curtain.  This is a device that, through carefully focused lenses, beams light in the same way a curtain hangs from its supports, to a point.  Think of this as simply a curtain, without pleats, hanging in front of you.  Now take a flashlight, and aim its beam directly through the curtain of light.  The beam from the flashlight will pass freely.  However, there will be collision of light particulates. 

Let's say the curtain is transmitting the visible spectrum of light.  The flashlight is only transmitting roughly 2000 degrees Kelvin.  The 2000 K particules of light from the curtain would collide with the beam of the flashlight, and not be blocked, but bend in their direction by careening those particules of that same frequency. 

Again, I'm sorry for a long explain. 

Hope this helps,

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Thanks for listening!  This is a work in progress. Here's the set up:

AM radio generating static at 29.9 (Works well at the upper end of the AM dial too)

Output of radio is fed into a six occillator tone generator.  I "tune" to the static (Yes it does have pitch)

SO far I tune: Unison....5th...Octave...sometimes a fourth also. I basically am tuning for harmonic resonance.

Then this blend is fed into a Berhinger mixer.  Noise reduction is used at the mixer.

The resultant blend is then recorded.  I ask questions via a mic that is also into the mixer.

The recorded result is then run thru a Band filter. During this process, words can start to be heard.

Then I use a Yamaha vocorder to "color" the static to give it pitch. (Ala Spiricom)

Now, I'm only acting as a receiver unit with this set up.  I'm working under the assumption that "They" are broadcasting on available frequencies. 

My theory is that this would be the most logical way to contact us from their side via available frequency that can be picked up on this side.

IThe next step will be to use wireless transmitting/receiving in the system.

Stay tuned for more....

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Jeff,

Great examples!  Do you have science background?

John D

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P.S. Yes, once I get this all put together I'll post a more complete diagram, and picture.

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Hi John,

It all sounds so interesting, and I do look foward to hearing more of your work on this and your setup!!

Thanks for sharing.

Blessings,

Laura

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Notemanz wrote: Jeff,

Great examples!  Do you have science background?

John D
Thanks John.  I'm an electrical engineer.

One thing I need to mention about the light concept is polarization.  When light passes a polarizer lens, the energy is focused, and placed in phase as it passes through.  When viewed from a right angle of the phased light, the light cannot be seen.

So in this concept, light does not block light, but visible light loses its visibility.

We also need to consider a wavelength filter.  It does block light by only allowing a small bandwidth of frequencies to pass throught.  All other frequencies cannot pass. 

That final thought makes one ponder wavelength, frequency, and the concept of the 7 astral planes George Meeks told us about, doesn't it?  Are they simply separated by a kind of filter that as the Spirit frequency increases, it can pass the "filter" to gain access to the higher plane.

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How wonderful if we can devise a pair of specs that enable us to "see" them.  If we can hear them, we just might be able to see them too...

Great topic Jeff!

John D

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Don't think I dropped off the face of the earth here. I am reading and trying to assimilate the knowledge.

The initial reason for asking if light blocked light was in relation to the theremin video that notemanz posted. I have seen quite a few theremin devices being sold on ebay which operate by something blocking a light cell. If a spirit is made of light and light can not block light than I would assume that anything that operates on that theory will be of no use.

The light conversation also brings to mind something I think about a great deal although I am not sure if it belongs within this thread. The majority of sightings are caught with the peripheal vision. The majority of my sighting are not only caught in my peripheal vision but also when the flash of a camera goes off. I assume this has to do with the refraction of light as well as the rods of the eye. I'm not completely sure where Im going with that thought but perhaps a good conversation can ensue.

Babs

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Great food for thought!  Reading "Ghost Of 29 meg" at the moment.  Meek is a wonderful character for sure.  O'Neill perhaps even more so...

Much to discover!  I concur that indeed we may eventually be able to "see" and "hear" them through science. 

I'd recommend members google the few sites that convert dig cameras to ultra-violet and infrared. I'm very pleased with my cameras and I feel they may be of interest in Para-normal reasearch.

John D

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EVP_Babs wrote: Don't think I dropped off the face of the earth here. I am reading and trying to assimilate the knowledge.

The initial reason for asking if light blocked light was in relation to the theremin video that notemanz posted. I have seen quite a few theremin devices being sold on ebay which operate by something blocking a light cell. If a spirit is made of light and light can not block light than I would assume that anything that operates on that theory will be of no use.

The light conversation also brings to mind something I think about a great deal although I am not sure if it belongs within this thread. The majority of sightings are caught with the peripheal vision. The majority of my sighting are not only caught in my peripheal vision but also when the flash of a camera goes off. I assume this has to do with the refraction of light as well as the rods of the eye. I'm not completely sure where Im going with that thought but perhaps a good conversation can ensue.

Babs

Gang here is but one Theremin for sale on ebay. This is a smaller version or many full sized models.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Great-sounding-THEREMIN-at-a-Great-Price_W0QQitemZ320216836735QQihZ011QQcategoryZ1287QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



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Hi All,

Jeff, that was a pretty good and fully creative idea - I find it very interesting myself. Funny enough I watched a movie last night with one of those things in it. I have imagined that something akn to this is most certainly possible - the closest I came was imagining a similar effect with photoresistors.

Cool.

Keith

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