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Posted: Apr 10th, 2009 11:39 AM |
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This is just a reminder...
As stated in the Basic Guidelines for the "ITC Bridge Collaboration Project", the first "rule" (labeled Voice 1) states:
"Participants are encouraged to attempt to interact with spirit, however basic the mode of communication may be. Do not claim what is not true, and if you want to demonstrate interaction with spirit, this is best done with recordings that include both sides of the interaction, both yours and spirit. Spend some time on the stream, and your questions will be answered."
Also, I just want to remind everybody to please indicate right away after you hear a "voice" on the stream that it's a DRV by either repeating what was just said or say something like "I heard that" if you don't understand all that it's saying at the time when it pops up.
When we hear your voice saying something right after the "voice" pops up, this helps us to know with more certainty that it's a DRV coming from the radio and not just an EVP recorded on our end while we were recording from the stream where it's only heard on playback.
Just saying to please get into the habit of doing this because as it is right now, we are just having to take people's word on it that the "voice" in our audio's from the stream are DRV voices. But for those people who come by here from other places to hear those audio's from the stream, they don't know us and they can't be sure that what's in these audio's are just EVP's as opposed to DRV's unless the person who recorded the clip is responding immediately after the voice pops up in some way and heard in the recording doing that, to indicate that it's a DRV coming directly from the radio.
Perhaps there should be another sub-forum for those recordings from the stream that are NOT interactive ... where the person who recorded the clip from the stream is NOT heard interacting in some way with what ever anomalous voice utterance is heard in the recording or they are not acknowledging the anomalous voice in someway immediately after it's said.
In any case, people need to state if they heard the utterance in real-time coming over the radio or if they only heard the utterance on playback.. there's a difference because the ones from the Stream are DRV's but the utterances that are only heard on playback of those clips we record from the stream could be either/OR but we don't know if it's a DRV because the person who recorded the clip did not respond in any way immediately after they heard the utterance to indicate that it came from the radio.
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Keith Clark
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Hi Linda,
The stream is here for the interaction and enjoyment of each individual as a personal experience of communication with spirit. They are free to do as they wish. I can give guidance and explanation, but the end experience is theirs.
"Reminding" everyone to start a habit you suggested is presented as if I were the originator of the directive, which is not the case. If you have an idea that you would like to present, then you should say "I present this suggestion" and leave it at that. Reminding indicates that we're supposed to be doing something that we have already been told and that is a standard. Yet, this is also not the case.
A voice recording from spirit is a voice recording from spirit - whether it be called drv or evp. I have already made the distinction in providing different forums for the two, but am not going to split hairs on how it is classified. Besides, we have not yet achieved direct radio voice, so we very well could not split hairs between evp on the stream channel 1 and drv attempts on the stream channel one. They are both spirit interaction on the stream.
The comment on "taking people's word" in reference to their audio clips is also completely unnecessary. We do not care about what people think of our recordings. You're missing the point of ITC Bridge, my dear. We do not judge people or their work. We are not here for an approval rating. We are here to work together.
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Hi all,
I'd just like to add that it is very easy with our software programs to cut and paste one's own comments seemlessly, both before and after any communication received, which is of course deceptive, but I've heard of it being done. Thus, even a recording where someone says something relevant to the EVP/DRV can be dismissed by skeptics as editing work. As Keith said, "we don't care about what people think of our recordings." We know what we are getting. Vicki
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Posted: Apr 25th, 2009 06:32 AM |
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Vicki Talbott wrote: Hi all,
I'd just like to add that it is very easy with our software programs to cut and paste one's own comments seemlessly, both before and after any communication received, which is of course deceptive, but I've heard of it being done. Thus, even a recording where someone says something relevant to the EVP/DRV can be dismissed by skeptics as editing work. As Keith said, "we don't care about what people think of our recordings." We know what we are getting. Vicki
I agree with you Vicki that it's easy to just cut and paste one's own comments into our audio's and to even do that seamlessly either before or after any "anomalous" voice/utterance ... just as it's easy to post a fake "anomalous" utterance (EVP) that's been "seamlessly inserted into a recording. And yes, I too have heard that such things have been done or at least have witnessed situations where some will doubt that someone's else's so-called "EVP" is legit.
And even though people know that there those out there who are skeptics and do not believe that the EVP phenomenon is "real"... those who are dedicated in their research and experimentation in ITC will still nevertheless post their EVP in forums such as this one because they KNOW this is a very real phenomenon....
The same goes for DRV that's coming over a radio too. But most of those who experiment in DRV also include their own voices in those recordings if they are "interacting" with spirit hence why Rule 1 of the Streams Basic Guideline states:
"Participants are encouraged to attempt to interact with spirit, however basic the mode of communication may be. Do not claim what is not true, and if you want to demonstrate interaction with spirit, this is best done with recordings that include both sides of the interaction, both yours and spirit. Spend some time on the stream, and your questions will be answered."
But, I can understand why some may have issues with including their own voices in recordings posted in this sub-forum (which is entitled Build A Bridge - Real-Time LIVE Audio/Video ITC Feed > Stream Captures - Audiio Only) because many of those anomalous utterances were only heard on playback and, most likely, they are EVP that was recorded while they were recording the stream and are not Direct Radio Voices coming from Keith's radio.
Rule #1 states that it's better for people to also include their own voices in those audio's where they are claiming that they were interacting with Spirit -- and I agree because this at least supports their contention that it was a real LIVE interaction between themselves and Spirit --- and how is this different than if someone only types out what they believe one of their EVP's is saying but then NOT also post that recording of that EVP just to support their contention that that EVP actually exists? By providing an audio that backs up whatever one is saying about the contents of that audio, at least they are providing others with hard core evidence that backs up what they claim is in the audio.
In the first case, the person is showing that it is in fact an interactive DRV by also including their own voice asking a question that was answered by Spirit right after that -- or us responding to an anomalous voice that we hear coming over the radio to at least indicate that we heard that voice saying something where if we understand what that voice is saying, we answer in such a way that's relevant to the content of that anomalous utterance. By doing so, we are showing that we are actually interacting LIVE with spirit at the time we are recording from the Stream.
I personally do not understand why some prefer not to include their own voice in such interactive DRV recordings here -- one would think that they would want to include that just to support their contention that it's an interactive DRV and in my humble opinion... I am requesting that they include their own voices in those recording also. All it is is a request on my part and nothing more. I have no power to force them to include their own voice in those type recordings that are posted here but just saying that I think Keith's Rule #1 is a good one so why not follow it?
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Posted: Apr 25th, 2009 06:42 AM |
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I disagree with you Keith that there have been no direct voices coming over your radio on the Stream but no matter what your opinion is on this, I will continue to follow Rule #1 in your Basic Guidelines.
If you have since decided that Rule #1 is no longer relevant to your ITC Bridge Collaboration Project, then you should delete that rule Keith but because it's still there, I assume that you still want us to follow it.
As for me reminding members here of that rule, I waited and waited for you to step up to the plate to remind others of this rule but that never happened. And as you can see, there are some here who actually have had interactions with Spirit over your radio that's on the Stream. And regardless that you personally think those recordings posted here of those interactions are misinterpretations by those who recorded those interactions, those who recorded those interactions place much importance on them and believe them to be exactly what they are... interactions between the recorder and Spirit. It's one's opinion against another's on this matter but for you to say that they are not DRV interactions -- I respect that but I disagree with your opinion on that.
But in any case, my apologies for posting that reminder as it's clear that you are thinking that I overstepped "my place" as a member here to do that and it won't happen again.
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Estee wrote: I disagree with you Keith that there have been no direct voices coming over your radio on the Stream but no matter what your opinion is on this, I will continue to follow Rule #1 in your Basic Guidelines.
If you have since decided that Rule #1 is no longer relevant to your ITC Bridge Collaboration Project, then you should delete that rule Keith but because it's still there, I assume that you still want us to follow it.
As for me reminding members here of that rule, I waited and waited for you to step up to the plate to remind others of this rule but that never happened. And as you can see, there are some here who actually have had interactions with Spirit over your radio that's on the Stream. And regardless that you personally think those recordings posted here of those interactions are misinterpretations by those who recorded those interactions, those who recorded those interactions place much importance on them and believe them to be exactly what they are... interactions between the recorder and Spirit. It's one's opinion against another's on this matter but for you to say that they are not DRV interactions -- I respect that but I disagree with your opinion on that.
But in any case, my apologies for posting that reminder as it's clear that you are thinking that I overstepped "my place" as a member here to do that and it won't happen again.
You are allowed to disagree, as long as it doesn't affect everyone else to a negative degree. I decide what that degree is. I also decide what is and what is not relevant to the project that I created. You will also notice that the "rule" you keep referring to is actually a guideline. I suggest you look up the difference.
I would rather discontinue this conversation.
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Posted: Apr 25th, 2009 07:22 AM |
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Likewise Keith! But thanks for hearing me out but please don't delete my "interactive" recordings here in this sub-forum like you deleted Deborah's interactive recording ok?? I prefer that you leave them up because they are real as opposed to not real. thanks.
I will continue to also include my own voice in whatever future DRV interactions I record from your Stream Keith as I too agree with you that it's important to include both sides of such interactions in those DRV recordings that are posted here in this sub-forum. And for those other members who also are getting interactive DRV's from the Stream, once again, I humbly request that you also include both sides of those interactions in those audio's you post in this sub-forum.
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Estee wrote: Likewise Keith! But thanks for hearing me out but please don't delete my "interactive" recordings here in this sub-forum like you deleted Deborah's interactive recording ok?? I prefer that you leave them up because they are real as opposed to not real. thanks.
I will continue to also include my own voice in whatever future DRV interactions I record from your Stream Keith as I too agree with you that it's important to include both sides of such interactions in those DRV recordings that are posted here in this sub-forum. And for those other members who also are getting interactive DRV's from the Stream, once again, I humbly request that you also include both sides of those interactions in those audio's you post in this sub-forum.
Let's see how I can put this.........
Cease and desist with your comments, or you will be removed from the forum.
I have no idea what you are referring to in reference to deletion of Deborah's posts, and neither does she. And for that matter, neither do you.
You seem to continually be inventing the truth as you want to see it, and your statements are untrue, misleading, and overbearing.
The only posts that get deleted are those that bring negative energy into the forum, posts similar to what you have been posting.
"I prefer that you leave them up because they are real as opposed to not real"
I do not know what the above statement means, and do not even want to waste the energy to try and find out.
I think it would best for you to take a break and reevaluate your writings and how they appear to, and affect everyone else on the forum. You may feel that they are not negative, but I can assure you that they are - and will not much longer be tolerated.
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Posted: Apr 25th, 2009 11:40 AM |
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You are lying.
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Keith Clark
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Estee wrote: You are lying.
I was patient with you, and gave you opportunities to reflect on your presence and impact on the forum. You are now being removed from the forum.
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