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Here's a couple of random water session pictures from last summer. I'll post some more in the coming days.
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This picture is from one of my rare experiments with artificial light. I used a small halogen desk lamp and shined it into a blue tinged glass bowl. As you can see, it didn't work out too well. Despite the blurry quality of the picture, I think there might be something within the area I've circled: I think it looks a little like the profile of a man's face, perhaps wearing glasses.
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This is from May 2010. Some people who have looked at this picture have told me that they see small images of people toward the upper right area. I've noticed this, too; however, my attention has always been drawn to an odd feature located almost in the very center of the picture.
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Perhaps a distorted image of a face taking up the entire center circle, or base, of the bowl?
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Hi Ty,
Very interesting indeed! I had no problem seeing spirit images, particularly in the first 2 pictures. I enjoyed looking at your water pictures.
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Hi, Keith. Thanks for taking a look. I'll be posting many more pictures in the coming days. I have tons of water images from last summer and fall. I've been looking them over (and over!) for a long time now, almost on a daily basis. The problem is that I can never really decide whether I am seeing something definite, or not. That's why I've posted so few of my pictures. Well, I've finally come to the conclusion that perhaps it's time to see what others think. Who knows? Maybe someone will point out something I had not noticed before.
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Hey Ty! I can see alot of different eyes in most of these pics! I think it was picture 4 that I think looks like a hand forming. I noticed all or most of the eyes look really human, just like someone is looking back at you. These are really Cool!
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Ty wrote: Picture 3
This is from May 2010. Some people who have looked at this picture have told me that they see small images of people toward the upper right area. I've noticed this, too; however, my attention has always been drawn to an odd feature located almost in the very center of the picture.
This one looks cat like in the middle Ty!
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Picture 3 (feature circled)
Hi, Debbie. Is this what you are referring to? I've stared at this particular water photo hundreds of times, and I always see what looks like the eye of a cat (and possibly part of its face, too).
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Yep, that's it. Do you think it looks like cat eyes? Well I guess you do or you wouldn't have mentioned Louie! (DUH! meaning me!) LOL I really like looking at water pictures. There's always so much stuff going on in them.
Deb
p.s. keep em' coming!
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Well, I see a single eye within what I've circled. Actually, I've always thought that the image in this photo resembled my other cat, Billie. Here's a picture of him (you've probably seen his photo before). Maybe I'm just trying too hard to see what I want to see (I admit that's always a possibility), but look at the circled eye in Pic #3, and notice what appears to be faint colorings of black and white above and to the left of the eye. Now compare this with the photo of Billie below. Attached Image (viewed 395 times):
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I kept flipping back and forth. Yes it does look like Billie now that I see his picture. He had a boo-boo nose!
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drrh wrote: Hey Ty! I can see alot of different eyes in most of these pics! I think it was picture 4 that I think looks like a hand forming. I noticed all or most of the eyes look really human, just like someone is looking back at you. These are really Cool!
Debbie
I've been trying to decide how often (or if at all) I should circle things that I think I see in these water pictures; I don't want to be seen as trying to influence what people see. But, on the other hand, I can't help seeing what I see. So, here are three of the pictures from above, with the most notable features (to me, anyway) circled. In each case, what I see resembles human eyes.
I've had a few people ask me whether I think it's possible that the eye images in the water pictures could be my own. It's a fair question, but I just don't honestly believe it's possible. Whenever I do a water reflection session, I place the bowl on the floor, or on the ground, if I'm outside. I don't use a tripod, so what I do is attempt to hold the camera steady in my left hand. I always keep the camera less than a foot above the surface of the bowl I'm using. Just before I begin shooting video footage, I always lean back from the waist up, so as not to cast my shadow or reflection upon the surface of the water. So (a) my face is not directly over the water's surface, and (b) the camera always comes between my upper body and the surface of the water. I just don't see how it would be possible for my eye, or eyes, to be reflected on the water's surface with the camera always blocking that line of sight.
Anyway, here are pictures 1, 5, and 8, with features circled.
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drrh wrote: I kept flipping back and forth. Yes it does look like Billie now that I see his picture. He had a boo-boo nose!
Debbie
Yeah, Billie had a scuffed up or dirty nose in just about every picture I have of him. He was always digging in the dirt, or getting into fights with the neighbor cat (who always got the worst of it whenever he fought Billie, I might add).
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Tough stuff like his Daddy! LOL
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The fourth one looks very promising.
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Ty I don't think they are reflections of your eyes! There's just too many of them in random places. It would be neat to know why you get so many eyes though. I wonder if it means something.
Well I like them and think they are really good. Very clear to see without a lot of enhancement like some pics have to be.
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neokortex_simulacrum wrote: The fourth one looks very promising.
Hello, neokortex. Thanks for taking a look at these. I've circled the feature that I see in Picture 4. Is this what you see? To my eyes, it seems to resemble a long, somewhat distorted face.Attached Image (viewed 386 times):
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drrh wrote: Ty I don't think they are reflections of your eyes! There's just too many of them in random places. It would be neat to know why you get so many eyes though. I wonder if it means something.
Well I like them and think they are really good. Very clear to see without a lot of enhancement like some pics have to be.
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Hi, Debbie. I recall that when I posted a bunch of water pics on the atransc site, Tom Butler remarked that my pictures seemed to have a lot of eyes in them; his theory was that perhaps I tend to focus on a person's eyes more than any other feature. He felt that with a little more practice, I should be able to receive more complete images, like detailed faces. Could be.
I've always wanted to ask someone with expertise in photography what they think of all these eyes. I see so many of them in my water pictures, that I often wonder if what I am seeing can be explained by more natural means--perhaps a trick of light and shadow, or something like that. And yet, all I have to do is look at that one water picture that I shot at my cat's grave. I don't know how, or why, but the images in that picture just look like eyes: the oval shape, the color, even what appears to be vertical-shaped pupils. I'm a very skeptical person, but even I have a hard time explaining an image like that. And then there's the more human looking eyes. I don't know what to think. Lately, however, I've been wondering what my water images would look like if I were to use a newer camera, one with 12 or 14 megapixels instead of the old 3 megapixel camera I used to shoot these. The results might prove to be very interesting.
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Maybe that's why you are getting eyes so much. Because you are a sceptic. And you know what I think of Tom Butler's opinion about anything.
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It's exactly that.
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Eyes, I had a lot of them in my old video-itc days. Only a few were quite good, hence I started to dismiss them as forms of pareidolia. Nevertheless the simplest structures can be mistaken for eyes because when one looks for faces, the first pattern they seek are the eyes (2 circles). For instance, try to zoom into the smallest details of an image. How many eyes do you see?
If we had more of them very detailed and prominent, I'd suggest they are symbols of some kind. However even then wouldn't I convey them a complex meaning at all, perhaps only a general one.
As for recording in HD I doubt that higher resolution will give out better results. I did a video-feedback session last Spring using a Sony miniDV camcorder. Don't know the exact name of it, but it was the university's camera, very professional-looking, that allowed me to change every setting that's possible. For image used an LCD flat monitor. Recorded in Pal, I think the resolution was 720x576, and at reviewing could pick out many results although only one face came out especially sharp-featured. Looking back at earlier sessions, (both TV and LCD) the pattern seems to remain the same: 1 face is the most detailed and there could be a lot's of possible but also disputable ones.
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Ty you seem to get so many perfect looking eyes though. Maybe you'll find out what it means in time. Keep trying though!!
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Hello, Neokortex. I think you raise a legitimate point when it comes to pareidolia. Unfortunately, for many people this word has negative connotations attached to it: it's almost as if pareidolia is synonymous with "seeing things", or creating something out of nothing (or in the case of visual itc, imposing meaningful patterns upon formless images). I do believe this happens, and that everyone (myself included) is susceptible to this condition of perception. To my knowledge, however, we cannot state with any certainty how prevalent pareidolia is, nor to what degree it operates when it is present in an experimenter.
The vast majority of anomalous features I detect in my own water reflection pictures could conceivably be the result of pareidolia; my collection contains hundreds and hundreds of images that, although tantalizingly suggestive of specific objects or lifeforms, in the final analysis elude definite identification. But should all such images be construed as pareidolia at work? I would argue that it is equally plausible, if even in a minority of cases, that what we are seeing is simply a weak transmission, if you will, of an actual image. Admittedly, it is difficult to prove or disprove such an argument; I personally find this to be the most frustrating aspect of visual itc research.
Lastly, I should state that my main reason for thinking that pareidolia does not apply to all cases of visual itc is that I have seen images (both my own and those of other experimenters) that are simply too well-defined to fall under the category of "imposed meaning". Take, for example, pictures 1, 5, and 8 above (also, see the picture I posted in another thread that shows an image that was captured outside). There is no need to impose meaning on these images. Pictures 1, 5, and 8 clearly show what appear to be human eyes--each one complete with an iris and a pupil. I believe the level of detail is so pronounced in these images that the possibility of pareidolia is simply non-existent. You probably noticed that I used the word "appear" when speaking of these human eyes. I use this word because, although the images of the eyes are very clear to me, I cannot say or know whether these eyes belong to actual people living in another aspect of reality, or if the eyes are even somehow a projection from my own mind, inexplicably projected onto the surface of the water and captured by my camera. Whatever they might be, they simply cannot be my own reflection, for reasons I have stated elsewhere in this thread.
Anyway, thank you for taking the time to respond to my posts. Your last post was very well thought-out and expressed. I enjoyed reading it.
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Oh you're good!!! Excellent!
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Whoa, what a reasoning!
Yea, I took another look at your "eyes". 5th (the left one) is the best, however it still looks cartoonish. Keep working at it.
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neokortex_simulacrum wrote: Whoa, what a reasoning!
Yea, I took another look at your "eyes". 5th (the left one) is the best, however it still looks cartoonish. Keep working at it.
- Pete.
I guess I don't quite understand your use of the word "cartoonish" in this context. To me, "cartoonish" seems to indicate something that is not genuine. These images are simply what my camera captured. Surely you are not implying otherwise?
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I don't get the cartoonish either. What does that mean? The eye in pic 5 looks human to me too. How do you mean cartoonish?
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Have you guys ever watched cartoons?
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Hello,
Concerning all forms of ITC, visual ITC included, we can all acknowledge that there is an amount of real spirit communication mixed with an amount of perceived spirit communication that is not spirit. The percentage is not known, and does not matter. The only thing that matters when working with ITC is the personal experience and development that occurs as a result of doing this work. No two ITC experimenters are alike, and no 2 ITC experimenters will ever have the exact same opinions, ideas, results, aura, or level of spiritual development.
It is best to not alow yourself to become easily offended when receiving feedback from others, and it is also best to give words of encouragement that are not likely to be misconstrued otherwise. We are all working towards the same goal, lets focus more on that.  Presently this topic is likely to stray from its focus, please keep this in mind when replying.
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The problem here is that this is not an isolated incident. Neo Kortex's lack of respect for his fellow members has been in evidence for quite some time now; one need only look through his history of posts to detect a common theme of sarcasm, condescension, and thinly-veiled ridicule. Frankly, I'm just surprised that I am the first individual to speak out against this type of behavior.
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Ty, some people, go figure if you get my drift! Don't sweat the small stuff!!
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I would prefer if communications such as this were routed to me, so that I may speak to people involved privately. Posting on the board in this manner usually produces the opposite results.
Thanks for your understanding.
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Hi Folks,
Here's a link to some free imaging software that might help some of your with your analysis.
It is "false color" software that helps draw out near infrared out of satellite photos.
I have used this program with regular photos with very interesting results.
Link to overview:
http://mvh.sr.unh.edu/mvhinvestigations/false_color.htm
Link to tutorial and software links for Mac or PC versions:
http://mvh.sr.unh.edu/software/false_color.htm
Hope this helps,
Ron
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thanks arizona, that is pretty cool software.
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Ty wrote: The problem here is that this is not an isolated incident. Neo Kortex's lack of respect for his fellow members has been in evidence for quite some time now; one need only look through his history of posts to detect a common theme of sarcasm, condescension, and thinly-veiled ridicule. Frankly, I'm just surprised that I am the first individual to speak out against this type of behavior.
Just wanted to say that the above words were written during the heat of a disagreement, one that has since been resolved. Looking back, I feel that what I wrote was not an accurate description of this member's conduct.
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