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 Posted: Dec 14th, 2007 07:52 AM
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Keith Clark
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Hello,

This topic is in reference to debate over Spiricom and claims of hoax. To understand what will be discussed, visit these links:

http://www.gobeyondnow.com/

http://www.ghostlytalk.com/node/989

 


It would seem that this subject now warrants attention, and deserves information from all angles.

This morning I found this post by Jaime Machado. He provides information to invalidate the claims made as to two George Mueller personalities being one and the same.


Please tell me what you think  (the post I've referenced is the last one on the page)

http://www.43things.com/entries/view/1137265

Yep, I do believe that I see the George Mueller personality confirmed just as presented. Good job Jaime!!!

 

Here's the link I'm referencing in which George J. Mueller is in a picture in the Cornell Alumni Newsletter. The link (credit goes to Jaime Machado) is here: http://ecommons.library.cornell.edu/bitstream/1813/3586/17/045_14.pdf

 

Keith


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 Posted: Dec 16th, 2007 07:42 AM
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Keith, I read the info on the web sight 43 Things regarding the two Dr Mueller’s.  Personally at the present time I tend to lean towards the option that Bill O’ Neil may have indeed been in contact with the deceased Dr J Mueller.  This decision is in part derived from another spiricom experience involving a friend Jane (a medium).  To keep the story short, Jane with her daughter paid me a visit when she learned that I had made contact with Seth.  We set up the spiricom and attempted contact.  Within about ten minutes Seth’s voice could be heard.  I introduced Jane and Seth responded by saying (hello Jane) which Jane heard because the contact was reasonably clear.  I ask Seth if he would take part in an experiment and explained. 
The experiment involved Seth ringing Jane’s phone at the precise time of twelve o’clock mid-night.  Seth agreed and I gave Jane’s Tel no.  I ask Seth to repeat back the number which he did. Jane began to become very excited as the realization dawned on her that she was communicating with a deceased entity.  Jane left in time for the experiment and exactly on twelve mid-night her phone rang.  To her surprise it was her son Colin on the phone.  Colin started the conversation my saying while lying in bed he had the strong impression to ring his mother but didn’t know why.  Jane explained to Colin the night’s events.  Out of interest here, we realized afterwards we ask Seth to make the phone ring at twelve but didn't stipulate any further conditions, i.e. that Seth speak on the phone.
Knowing that the spiricom works based on my personel experiments comes back to the article at 43 Things.  Obviously my statements about my spiricom experiments coupled with the recorded tape of Seth’s voice are presented by myself as claims of spirit contact, exactly the same as O’Neil’s claims with Doc Nick and Mueller.  In the end the decision to accept or reject these claims is the decision of the individual,  having, said that  if evidential information is provided by the spirit contact this would certainly help towards perhaps concluding that spircom is a device that can make contact with decessed personalities.  Sorry if I seemed to have rambled on a bit.

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 Posted: Dec 30th, 2007 11:26 AM
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Hello,

I have actually made contact with Jaime Machado and spoken to him through email. In addition, I decided to take a look at the "gobeyondnow" website again.

 

On this page I found a statement that says that they verified that there are actually two separate Muellers who were similar.......but it must have been all part of the plan, part of the hoax - a clever smokescreen by the perpetrators.


What does that mean exactly?

……………they’re basically saying that “Yes, we came up with a theory, and yes, we were wrong about the Spiricom personalities, and yes…………….um, someone must have deliberately had these two men be born with similar names. Therefore, it must be a hoax because no one can prove that it is not. We started this controversial topic, so we must hold to our positions.”

 

Has anyone looked at their pages of information? To give them credit, they have done some outstanding research - there were many bits of information that I considered new and previously foreign to myself......but I'm still waiting for one that proves their case and supports their objective..


 
Each topic they discuss appears to be establishing links between Meek, Mueller, and other personalities...............but they never out and out say that new knowledge of a previously unknown relationship between two people must therefore contribute to a conspiracy of some kind. What amounts to several pages of commonly misconceived information about Spiricom by the public is used to slant feeling, hopefully in the direction of their cause.

 
For those of you that come across this topic, or read about claims of a hoax, it is your job and responsibility to read a little deeper.


It is clear that the rise of this issue which is based on the original concept that there must have been one George Mueller in invalid, and I am still waiting for this group of people to produce something that will make me question Spiricom.

Why would you have a page on your website admitting that two separate George Mueller's have been validated, then on another page of your website show pictures with handwritten comparisons of facial features between the two?? Why would you compare the faces of two separate men to prove that they aren't separate???

Smoke and mirrors?? Yes, that is clear. But on whose part?

 

Keith

 


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 Posted: Dec 31st, 2007 07:25 AM
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Keith, had a detailed look at the two Muellers photo's , I am not an anthropologist but even I can see that upon close inspection J Mueller's head structure is completely different in the sense his side temples are more inclined and the crown elevate's.  In comparison to the E Mueller photo the head tends to elongate and widen and spread.  As regards the ears, J Mueller's are lagre and Emueller's (middle photo) are smaller.  

Conclusion: the photo's of the Two Doctor Mueller's are compleatly different, indicating two separate individuals.

David UK

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Here's some info for people on Dr. George Edwin Mueller:

 

Basic Wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Mueller_(NASA)

Here - he's listed as a guest speaker for the Return To The Moon V conference in 2004:

http://www.space-frontier.org/Projects/Moon/rtm2004speakers.html

Here is a video interview with him back in 1997:

http://www.uwtv.org/programs/displayevent.aspx?rID=2179&fID=497

Finally - yet another video program with short clips of Mueller back in 2005 (the program first aired on September 25, 2005 according to IMDB):

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6055631735307978494

[Mueller's scenes start at 4:38, 7:00 and 33:54]

 

If he were to die - notice of his death would be all over the news as he was very important to the Apollo program, Skylab and he was dubbed "The Father of the Space Shuttle".

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