Fathers in there EVP - Electronic Voice Phenomena (EVP) - Instrumental Transcommunication (ITC)

Posted: Oct 28th, 2007 02:56 PM

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Hi Chris,

I'm not one to ask or comment on how one edited their EVP clip and for them to tell us what filters they used. I'm to find that it's usually those EVP recorders who consistently get Class A or B recordings who request that information all of the time from others where they are usually critical of any kind of editing/filtering of EVP because their EVP is already clear enough for others to hear without any kind of editing at all! I get the impression that they don't think it's fair that a person who does not get as good of EVP as they do should be allowed to edit their EVP to make them clearer for others to hear; the fact that they themselves do not have to edit their EVP -- no one else should either -- but this isn't right, of course.

For people like this, it's more of a competitive thing where this issue of filtering EVP or not turns into 'who's the more talented EVP recorder here?'

In short, there's nothing wrong with filtering ones clip so that you and others can hear what's being said in it more clearly so I'm glad you edited your clip but IMHO, it was not necessary for you to post the raw version of that clip here... lol, we trust you!

And by asking the EVP recorder to post their raw recording and to say what filters they used on their 'edited' recordings puts that person in an uncomfortable position because it implies that whomever is asking for that information does not TRUST the EVP recorder and thinks that they faked their EVP when usually 99 times out of 100, that's not the case at all. In fact, the vast majority of people who post their EVP in these forums are honest where all they want to do is share their EVP with others and have others comment on if they are hearing the same thing in it as they are. Like what you are doing here Chris by posting your EVP.

There's also the arugument that over editing can change what the raw EVP was saying but many long time EVP recorders know that some EVP are multi-layered (in terms of pitch) where if one changes the pitch a little, or slows it down a little or even speeds it up a little -- on an otherwise fuzzy crackling i.e. cookie monster voice EVP only to find a crystal clear voice saying something in a very coherent phrase, then there's no reason to not accept that this is what that anomolous voice is saying. In fact, reversing EVP has also resulted in some very coherent EVP and some people seem to get EVP like this more than others. In fact, everybody seems to get their own kinds of voices coming in where they eventually know what to do with them to make them clearer. At any rate, those who do not believe in editing each have their own version of what 'over-editing' is. Personally, when I'm listening to my EVP, all I'm interested in is the message and for this reason I will sometimes play around with some of those BASIC filters to see if there's anything interesting to those evp after I apply those filters to them. But I do not Denoise... this takes out too much information and in fact does change the EVP by doing that in such a way that to me, it's no longer saying what it was meant to be interpreted as saying.

Unlike Keith, (sounds like he does not like to post his interpretation publicly)-- but, I do like interpreting EVP because I'm always interested in finding out what spirits are saying. I personally can't think of anything more fascinating but the only way to find out is to try to understand and interpret the EVP as much as possible. This said though, I can understand where Keith is coming from on this because even with Class A recordings, there's never a 100 percent consensus on what that EVP is saying. Much of it also has to do with whatever sound card one has installed in their computer and even which media player or sound editor they are using to listen to the EVP clip...

This said, I'm sorry but I can't pick out much of what's being said in your recording. I'm sure others here might be able to do that but even when I loaded it into an editor, the only thing I think I might be hearing is 'good god' but I don't think that I would be catching that (even that part was fuzzy though.. sorry) if you had not mentioned what you are hearing this voice saying.

But the good thing is these do seem like anomalous voices so that's a good start and I'm sure as you continue to record, you will most definitely get more clearer EVP as time goes by.

By the way, I was the first one to download your recording and Keith was the second person to do that. I did not comment at first because I was curious to find out if anybody else could hear what you do in it -- and I hope that still happens! Anyway, thanks for sharing and please post more of your EVP here if you have any.. I would love to listen to them!

All of the above are just my opinions and nothing more.

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Posted: Oct 28th, 2007 06:32 PM

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Hi Chris!

I enjoyed reading your last post! You sound very intelligent quite knowledgeable about a few things having to do with this phenomenon than most new beginners ... and that's great! Sounds like you're off to a good start!

I'm just on my way out and will comment more later (tomorrow) on some of what you brought up in your last post. Great that you like talking about this stuff as much as I do and everybody else here too!

Talk later!

Estee

PS -- Just wondering but could you take this EVP that you posted in the thread and ' manipulate' it so that it's saying something different than what you are hearing? - I'm curious on how one would do that without actually adding fake evp sounding voices to it. As it is right now, just take it for granted that most of us cannot discern what's being said in your EVP but that by 'filtering' it, you can change it so that we all will be hearing a coherent voice talking in it. I just want to see how you would do that.

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Posted: Oct 29th, 2007 07:15 AM

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Chris,
All I did was load your original unedited recording into Cool Edit/Audition,

--isolate that section where Far Horizons was heard in that Ghost Village's version of your recording...

-- where I then lowered the pitch a teeny tiny bit and Far Horizons was heard loud and clear.

--Yet when I loaded your 'denoised recording' into Cool Edit and isolated that same area where Far Horizons was supposed to be and lowered the pitch of that section a teeny tiny bit, Far Horizons was not heard at all. That's because when you cleaned up your recording, you also took away important information from that recording. This is why I do not Denoise my recordings because that's what happens when one does that... it erases important EVP information.

Lowering the pitch a tad bit , like that Ghost Village member did... and that's all he/she did -- does not fall into the category of 'over-processing'. Granted it's still 'editing' ... it's not over-processing by any stretch.

--But denoising/cleaning up your clip DOES fall into the category of 'over-processing' , at least in this case, because by doing so, you deleted/erased important EVP information from where that Far Horizon's section is where it no longer sounds like Far Horizons at all when the pitch of that section was slightly lowered -- hence you 'changed' that EVP into something else... into something 'un-intelligible'.

This is why so many know that there are some EVP that are multi-layered, (just like there are some 'reversed' EVP out there) in terms of pitch. Where on first listen, you know there's an anomalous voice there but it's too blurry or gravelly a voice to make out what it's saying, so in that case one can lower or raise the pitch (usually raise) of that section a tad bit where that 'voice' is to see if anything lies above it or below it. Many times one will find a name or short phrase being said very clearly -- as what we are hearing in your recording that was edited by that Ghost Village member. Good that you ran into that person because it sounds like he knows what he's doing!

In this case, it's called a negative 1 pitch modification because that's the level that "Far Horizons" is being heard on. But I myself usually find very clear EVP when I raise the pitch of some of some blurry EVP where many times, what's being said on the positive 1 pitch level is much, much clearer than what's being said on the surface of that same recording on first listen.

Hope you find this information interesting! The EVP field is so new, all of us are always learning new things. But the bottom line is this, document your findings... keep a journal of them and then share your insights with others. We are all here to learn and grow and granted there will always be disagreements and differing opinions on this and that, the important thing is to remain open minded on things because after all... we ARE dealing with a paranormal phenomenon. Most of what you will be finding out about EVP will be based on YOUR own personal experiences with it.

Also, I would suggest you join AA-EVP's forum. I'm telling ya, there's not one place on the internet that matches up to the information about EVP that you will get there... and it's so astounding... you just wouldn't believe! At this point in time, you don't even have a clue what you're missing in regards to what EVP is all about. Just my .02 here but please do seriously consider it. There's no way you are going to find out about EVP if you are just having to rely on information from the internet or in all of those EVP forums out there where most of those members of those groups have a very distorted and incomplete knowledge of this phenomenon even though many of them try to pass themselves off as 'experts'... but they are anything but that. Trust me, I'm telling you the truth.

And finally, great that you are currently building a device for spirit communication... that sounds exciting! There are a few here who are doing that too! Please keep us updated on this and great that you've got the professional background to be able to do that!

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Posted: Oct 29th, 2007 07:19 AM

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Keith Clark wrote: Hi Estee,

If you can, please remember that this is not the same forum you came from. All of the concepts above didn't exist in this forum until you brought them here from your post above. Please keep your experiences elsewhere separated from your experience here. For example - the discussion of the word "competitive" was totally unnecessary - especially as intro to someone new - as you explain how ITC and experimentation work.

This board is very simple - We experiment, we share, we learn, we grow. That's it, and nothing more.

KeithSorry Keith! I understand what you are saying and I tried to come up with a better word than competitive but couldn't think of one at the time. In any case, I'll stay clear of this controversial subject from here on.

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Posted: Oct 29th, 2007 09:45 AM

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Whoa! Just re-read your comment here again Keith and it's my understanding that this forum is here to be able to share our experiences and insights and the EVP Mult-Level (some call it Mult-layered) concept is common knowledge among experienced long time EVP recorders. It's been around for years now! I'm not introducing new information here at all! And I would not be supporting the veracity of this concept if I didn't find it to be true myself.

For example, many times we will be hearing EVP where a another entirely different EVP voice will seem like it's either under the more 'up front' EVP voice .. or it will seem like it's over-lapping the the other voices. This is one example of the Mult-layered EVP Concept.

But if you yourself personally disagree with this EVP concept (edit: though I doubt that and I'm thinking you only have another term for it .. so that's cool...), as this seems to be the case -- where you are telling me not to discuss it, I'm very disappointed that you feel that way but I will nevertheless honor your request on this as a member of this forum.

My work for the past couple of years has focused exclusively on ITC video's anyway and this is reason why I'm here... to share my insights and my experiment results. Nevertheless, I always encourage new EVP recorders to continue in their experiments in this area where I also encourage them to join AA-EVP just to get things off and running because there's so much more to EVP than what's to be found at haunted houses... lol.

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Posted: Oct 29th, 2007 05:18 PM

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NS-EVP wrote: Of course I will continue to come here and participate, I can sense there are a bunch of really good people in here!!

Chris ;)

We are all good people here and I know this because I'm familiar with most members in this forum and have been for at least 3 or 4 years now. The only thing we are interested in is ITC experimentation and getting the best possible results we can possibly get -- that's all that's important. I'm just telling you to join AA-EVP because for the past couple of years, I've been observing other EVP forums and I'm finding an incredible amount of misinformation about the ITC/EVP phenomenon perpetuated by people who amazingly just do not have a clue about a whole other area about this phenomenon that they negate because they've simply not had the opportunity to learn about it and experience it. And forget about ITC images, these same self-described 'experts' don't even recognize this phenomenon at all and that's really ... well, INCREDIBLE.

But the main thing about what's been going on now on the internet in these forums is that there are people who are calling themselves experts in the EVP field who don't even know anything about the history of EVP!! Nor are they even familiar with those current well-known experts in this field now!! When I direct them to World ITC, for example, and these are people who head up some major ghost hunting operations who claim to be EVP experts (and I'm talking about BIG names here), you would just be amazed how many of these people have never picked up a book written by any of the EVP/ITC pioneer's at all. One would think that such individuals would have at least familiarized themselves with such big names in a field they claim to be experts in... but NO.. they know nothing about the history of EVP.. zilch.. nothing. Amazing isn't it? But, there's a whole lot more they don't know about too and this is so mind boggling, it has been hard for me to even wrap my mind around it. The long and the short of it is.. IGNORANCE REIGNS!

At any rate, I've been on quite a journey with this internet exploration of mine so if there's anyone here who knows what they are talking about in this regard, it's me. Join up to AA-EVP's forum. You may find yourself disagreeing with a few things people are saying there but instead of focusing on the little things, instead, look at the big picture. EVP is BIG.. real BIG. It's a lot bigger than you can ever even possibly imagine even in your wildest dreams and a good start on that realization is found at that forum.

Start off on the right foot. Join AA-EVP.

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Posted: Oct 30th, 2007 08:10 AM

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Great NS that you want to try out the ITC feedback loop method and that's a good place to start!

After you start getting ITC images for awhile, don't be surprised if something like this happens to you one day. Lol... "they' like making their own movies sometimes too! :scared:

I found these video's one day -- they were directly inserted into my C directory. I never save any of my files directly into my C Directory but that's where they were found. They were also labeled in a way that I never label my ITC/EVP files... nor do I ever record avi movies but I have some old software with my old webcam that does save webcam movies in that format so 'they' used that old software I had already installed in my computer at the time to record these movies.

Below is a screenshot of my C Directory showing where these video's were found. See ScreenCam avi files near the bottom of the below picture? Notice the time when each was recorded.

Each were only taken one minute apart. One was of my leather recliner and another was also of my leather recliner but WITH SOMEONE IN IT (and someone was behind it too where its large ROUND head bopped up for a second and went back down). There are also other beings/spirits in this video too. I put them on some You Tube pages for anyone to view. The quality is poor because they used no lighting and closed the blinds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhlS-jH2DAA

Here's a slowed down version of the above movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXia06WNMVg

And here's the other movie showing only the chair taken only a minute before the above movie was recorded. Notice the difference in the lighting. That's because 'they' closed the blinds to record the second movie. But the blinds were open at the time when this one was recorded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xem9Su4pl4s

The reason why they also recorded one of just my recliner in the daylight was to point out that the second video also shows the recliner but with someone in it and other spirits around that chair too.

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Posted: Oct 30th, 2007 04:22 PM

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We all go through that. Many of us hear a high pitched sound when we ask them to pop by for awhile because we want to start up a recording session. This is one way they let us know when they are there and ready to participate in the session.

But the fact is, they are always around and one just has to get used to it. And just think about it, WE ARE NEVER ALONE because we are surrounded by them at all times -- some of them are watching over us and protecting us in ways we aren't even aware of most of the time. They are everywhere and once you realize that, it changes your entire worldview in a very compelling way!

Anyway, the longer you are involved in spirit paranormal activities like recording EVP, for example, you will be even able to hear them sometimes talking to you outside of sessions. But that's another whole different area but if it happens to you, don't be surprised.

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Posted: Oct 30th, 2007 07:16 PM

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Yes, that's what I mean. Those whom I'm in contact with on a regular basis via EVP will sometimes say hi to me or I love you or We love you and say their name too. It happens when I'm in a relaxed state when watching tv or meditating etc... or just before I'm ready to doze off -- but I will sometimes here them say their name even when I'm wide awake, as if they are talking into my ear standing by me on side or the other...

In fact, quite a few recorders have reported this phenomenon too after they've been recording EVP for a while at least based on those EVP recorders who have been participating on different forums on line. So I don't think it's unusual for some EVP recorders to experience this.

I personally invite them to communicate to me this way and I think if they see that you are open to that form of communication then they will work with you to get better at it.

As for the fear factor in all of this. I've had a spirit communicating with me for many years now. This was before I started recording EVP on a regular basis. First it was a male voice and then it was female. Usually I hear her voice just as I'm falling asleep at night where she will simply say my name a few times but it's very loud and clear... usually there's an electrical zing/jolt before that happens. But this same voice will wake me up in the middle of some dreams sometimes as if to let me know that I should remember some aspects of that dream. But sometimes this same voice will wake me up in the middle of a nightmare or a bad dream -- as if it's rescuing me from that dream situation back into a waking state.

I've also seen spirit materialization's into almost physical states -- 3x's. The first one was a young woman dressed out the sixties, the second time was a child's hand, the third time was a woman in a white mourning gown who actually walked up to me and touched me .. then disappeared -- that child's hand touched me too.

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