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Hi guys,

I've been strolling here a while posting some short comments, adding nothing new.
Lately my mind had caught fire.
I had to make a decision on the kind of research I must to do for a university subjet (in this term). And I was kind of lazy, and inexperienced, so what not, chose to do ITC. The professor accepted the choice, asked for an abstract and I pretended as if I were to research this for the first time. The university has some tools I'm allowed to use (dv camera, monitor, VCR) and I need to achieve some impressive results to be able to prove something beyond the speculations of pareidolia. - Or I will have to turn to questionnairing. I thought to do some evp and next to that the second part of Schreiber's method. I must also write an essay of a certain length and I figured out there is not much I could write on evps.

Schreiber's almost perfect pictures weren't obtained only by the "oscillations" of the loop-pattern. As described at worlditc.org, he did a run first with recording the feedback-loop, then searched for faces by frame-analysis, and after that he rerecorded the found ones as still pictures from the tv set. While the rerecording took place those were taking on more humanoid shapes on a second tape.

So my question is: did anyone tried this? I don't have that much time, so does it worth a try? And should I buy UV and IR lights?, how much quintessential are they, how much do they help?

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Well, I guess it isn't such a good idea at all. (no encouragement have I received)

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Hi Neo,

As you know, the forum is slow at times....lack of an answer to your post does not indicate that nobody is interested in your post, only that no one has responded yet.

Video itc is very interesting, and different people have different results. I would consider it to be a very time intensive and tedious process, but it can yield if time is put in. All I ever used was a camera and a tv. Sometimes I added a flashing strobe light to help induce the feedback and keep it going. It will all depend on you, and on the equipment you are using.

Another fun idea, which would also prove to be easier to do - is a fog machine. Have a black backdrop with the camera pointed at the backdrop, and the fog being projected from one side to the other, in front of the backdrop. If you're looking for good evidence in a short period of time, this is the method I would recommend.

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Thanks, Keith you replied at the right moment. I was on the verge of feeling you guys, at least the ones being here, are turning down on me. I think, the forum being slow is an understatement. The forum looks rather dead. :bored: :biggrin:. Anyway, I'm feeling that making a bridge or a connection of some kind is not impossible. There is a great gap between wanting something and doing something in present time. And of course one must have an emotional attachment to people who live in that other world, because without that it would look like shouting into the darkness "is anybody out there?".

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So, what was your final decision? Are you going to do the project?

Yes, I understand that the forum activity is almost nil. I haven't been "feeding" it as much because I just moved 2,600 miles across country- from one side of the united states to the other......in addition, I'm leaning towards learning about other areas, such as development as a medium and physical mediumship.

As a board and website, we also are in the "building and development" stages.

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I'm doing it.

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Sorry I must have missed this topic..

 What are you aiming for with your course??



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Hi neo,

Since you are planning to make a serious effort with tech resources available at the university, you should try to sync the noise signal containing spirit images with the display video. This would give stable images and would eliminate the smearing and sync lines that interfere with the picture.

The use of an unmodulated TV channel on an analog TV will not work well by itself because there are no sync levels in the incoming radio frequency noise. Instead of modifying an actual TV or video monitor, you might make a composite video signal with a diode noise source and a sync generator. An electronics instructor or video engineer might help you. A diode noise source should have spirit images the same as an atmospheric radio noise source.

I believe the video camcorder loop method is difficult to control because of the lack of brightness reference in the noise signal. Adding external reflected light sources may distort images. Try displaying a synched diode noise video signal without the video camera.

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Thanks the tips, joecioppi, but I'm already finished with the project. Neither had I any chance for a specialist, nor did the project need to be taken that serious.
Although I had been lazy enough and uneasy in an unfamiliar city, where the language spoken is not mine, to start something new, roam the streets with questionaires and write statistics.
I just had to do some research starting from a theory, write an essay of six pages long about results, methodology, and some background of the whole stuff.

Your ideas are far beyond my comprehension, I don't even get what "diode noise" means. As far as the results are concerned I had a horrible technical missinterpretation of the redubbing of the Schreiber-method. Now I know how it should have had to be done, but the strange fact is, that it couldn't have been done that way because of a defect of the worn equipment. I've also found out that redubbing has been yielding to succes at Misty, who participated more in the http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/EVP-ITC/ , than this forum. Her results look a lot more than what we might expect (http://webcamitc.myphotoalbum.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=album02), but strange enough she is more dedicated to the voices.

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Know I'd like to add this in its original resolution, but obviously the server doesn't let me, but if Keith knows how to do it, I request his aid.

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Well, Karlos, only a very few itc pictures come near to the quality of a photo. I think there are two main reasons for not being able to recognize anything in the pictures: 1, not anyone can sense the slight nuances between the colors, tones, shades, and the picture is already monochromatic; 2, there is a great amount of "noise" in the picture that goes against clarity: some faces come out good, some are hidden beneath the details. Visual arts can develop these talents or sensitivities in a person: I was already into artistic photography (unconsciously) in the time of starting video-itc.
What I can recommend you is to download the pics and watch them in acdsee or in a viewer that can show them in front of a black background. Let your look to be passive, let your eyes find the recognizable spot on the picture.

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The last image came out shrinked due to some limits in the forum-software, I try to re-post its interesting part.

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Hi guys,

Dropping in with what is probably an idiotic question: I've also been experimenting with rolling video and am wondering- What is that makes the 'clouds' effect on the video?  Is it static electricity? 

Following the herringbone segments, I've noticed interesting fluctuations- five rolls display a cloud-like pattern, the next two grainy, the next a solid color, back to grainy, etc. (though the first minute or so is primarily the cloud pattern which seems to contain faces, a skull, a silhouette, etc.).  Why would it morph? Nothing changes in the environment at all and I would think this is a 'closed system' (for all intents and purposes)- 

All things considered I'm led to believe that the changes are deliberate.

Thoughts?

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Wow! Someone finally posted a response after a long-long time. :DD

The cloud effect is created by the grid-like structure of the camera's sensor + plus visual settings like zoom and color options + light conditions outside (too much light = completely white screen). The fluctuations (like a sudden change in the feed-back loop's rhythm) can be due to spirit influence (I myself could influence the feed-back loop with concentration) or can be a natural influence like a fly which flew across the field of the camera. However if you notice a major change that produces undebatable spirit faces, then the fluctuations are justified as from outside the system. But don't be so sure at first glance because v f-b loop is hardly a closed system even in a perfectly dark room.

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Thanks neo!

Yeah, I don't even know if I'm adjusting the camera correctly...the phases never change: 1- blue screen, 2- blue herring-bone, 3- variations from cloud-like patterns to grainy (this is the state-change where I seem to be able to identify faces, etc.), 4- brilliant white, 5- black and back to blue screen.

Does this sound typical?

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I can't figure out what hering-bone means in your context. Especially the "blue herring-bone". Do you have an alternative way to describe it please, because a fish' bone associated to ITC sounds rather funny.
But yes, that's how it supposed to be, if you don't play much with the settings.

Everyone interested should know in addition that Klaus Schreiber didn't receive full-blown pictures right away with this method, he also had to rerecord the possible ones by stopping the video at a certain frame and wait till it developed further.

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Sorry about that,

Herring-bone is a pattern often associated with suit-coat material...I'm referring to the cross-hatch pattern that precedes the cloudy effect.

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Aha. If you don't zoom in enough you don't get the cross-hatch pattern.

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neokortex_simulacrum wrote: Schreiber's almost perfect pictures weren't obtained only by the "oscillations" of the loop-pattern. As described at worlditc.org, he did a run first with recording the feedback-loop, then searched for faces by frame-analysis, and after that he rerecorded the found ones as still pictures from the tv set. While the rerecording took place those were taking on more humanoid shapes on a second tape.

So my question is: did anyone tried this? I don't have that much time, so does it worth a try? And should I buy UV and IR lights?, how much quintessential are they, how much do they help?
hello I have done something like that but with today's technology ..
how? Kinovea I used to go to the fotogammi manually (you can 'also use virtual dub) I'm using this to try the slow-motion function that has Kinovea!

photos of the video to highlight the faces:


video original                                                                         video with repeat recording


video original                                                                         video with repeat recording


technique of shooting the same frame:

This is the frame between the very poor and got another one of my first tests ...:

here I have  photographic enlargements from a different angle and tried to figure out if the light from the window could be used by turning the monitor:


and then I zommato scfocato part until you get that little face (lower left):


now I "zoom in" and the face looks better already:


here i zoom in  and worked with the mass, heat, light from the window until you get this close enough defined:


working in the same way there appears the pupil:


more 'so I do not have to spit to do:


I used a 5 megapixel frames .. and you see that breast were ridimenzionati came off the page ..
........... Something that I think I understand that in this thing and take more 'time frames suspicious light and angle are still playing a role important.

I hope to be able to help (sorry for my bad english)

calo.

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Hi Calo,

It looks as if you were using google translator. Some words weren't translated and others were translated the way that does not fit the context.

Is "Kinovea" a video editing software? What did you want to show us on your first picture (a photo of your computer screen)? What did you use to highlight the faces at your photo?

In your first sequence of videos (first and second videos) I see light on the left side. Is that flash light?

At the second row of videos I couldn't determine if there were any improvements of the male face on the left because I couldn't download the original video in the proper quality and youtube doesn't allow us to view videos frame by frame. However I found the peak of the face's development on the 4th video at 0:39. I wonder if blur helped you on that one or if you could find that face with that quality in the original also?

As of the still images I'm not seeing any relevant changes. You mentioned the appearance of the pupil although this can be due to the grid lines of you monitor. I also took photographs of the same way as you did but doing this only makes them larger. These vertical and horizontal lines of your screen creates the sensation as if they gain more depth in quality but actually the don't.

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hi nice to meet you!
Is "Kinovea" a video editing software?
yes.
What did you want to show us on your first picture (a photo of your computer screen)?
yes

In your first sequence of videos (first and second videos) I see light on the left side. Is that flash light?
only sunlight.

I wonder if blur helped you on that one or if you could find that face with that quality in the original also?
yes heped me.

 You mentioned the appearance of the pupil although this can be due to the grid lines of you monitor.
yes.. it's true.

. I also took photographs of the same way as you did but doing this only makes them larger.
i'm sorry...I do not know.. you can only try again..

These vertical and horizontal lines of your screen creates the sensation as if they gain more depth in quality but actually the don't.

yes creates the sensation for highlight the faces..


have a good day calo.

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EDIT: What did you want to show us on your first picture (a photo of your computer screen)?
yes

  I applie " optical manual  deconvolution   " which made Schreiber...

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I haven't heard of this "deconvolution" technology, but I will certainly try the software out.
Where did you read that Schreiber used "deconvolution"?

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hi, deconvolution in digital photography improve the focus of a subject.

..speaking of Focus ("deconvolution") and analyzing his photos I can say that Schreiber photographed  the tv away to shrink the image and focus (was like a deconvolution)

picture of the TV for better focus, is part of the technique Schreiber!:
                                                                         



I hope it was clear

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Sorry, but it's still not clear to me. Is this deconvolution thing something that you have read about Schreiber's work or something that you assume he might have used in his work?

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something that you assume he might have used in his work?[\quote]
yes , I think so and many others researchers...

do you not agree?

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Calo, whether we don't understand each other correctly or you don't understand the technology behind photography correctly.

I tried out the software "Focus Magic" you linked. The term deconvolution was something new for me but I realized it is the same as "sharpening" or "unsharp mask" which you could have seen in image editor programs such as Paint Shop Pro and ACDSee.

The advertising text around "Focus Magic" states that this "revolutionary deconvolution technology" can bring out more detail of your blurry pictures than other programs like Photoshop. So I downloaded the program and the comparison pics from its website, but try as I might I couldn't make that blurry car plate to be readable. I tried every setting that is possible.
Now let's put it this way: if you were short-sighted why would glasses help you?

I have already read Schreiber's whole technique and cannot recall anything like sharpening which is already doubtful to be used in the age of VHS tapes. To read it go to worlditc.org -> books -> Bridge between the Terrestrial and Beyond by Hildegard Schaefer -> 27.

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neokortex_simulacrum: Now let's put it this way: if you were short-sighted why would glasses help you?
calo:I see that you got here

neokortex_simulacrum:I have already read Schreiber's whole technique and cannot recall anything like sharpening which is already doubtful to be used in the age of VHS tapes. To read it go to worlditc.org -> books -> Bridge between the Terrestrial and Beyond by Hildegard Schaefer -> 27.

calo:forgotten this program was just an example .. I do not use ...
schreiber it's sure he not that he used this program ^^...

he only put in focus the picture that they were not .
... I think, you can understand this when photographing the screen..

I'm sorry if we do not understand well..

bye bye calo.

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Arrrrghhh, man you make me sweat.
First of all use a human translator instead of google, because google stinks.

If you watch carefully all the youtube videos of Schreiber's developing pictures,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqyN8uLr0Xk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eOtF8RMFMo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B13msB38dTM
one thing you can be sure of is he didn't do any optical focusing. Neither sharpening.

Instead of a long talk read the recommended material.

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